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the death of an unarmed teenager, trayvon martin. the question of george zimmerman and whether he acted in self-defense, clearly the conclusion that a jury of six women came to tonight. george zimmerman, not guilty. it was a case that was as much about larger issues. it was about guns in this country. it was about race in this country. the reverend al sharpton joins us now. your reaction. >> well, i think that this is an atrocity. i think that it is probably one of the worst situations that i've seen. what this jury has done is establish a precedent that when you are young and fit a certain profile, you can be committing no crime. just bringing some skittles and iced tea home to your brother and be killed and someone can claim self-defense. having been exposed with all kinds of lies. all kinds of inconsistencies. we had, even at trial when he is exposed over and over again as a liar, he is acquitted. this is a sad day in the country. i think that we clearly must move on to the next step in terms of the federal government and in terms
the death of an unarmed teenager, trayvon martin. the question of george zimmerman and whether he acted in self-defense, clearly the conclusion that a jury of six women came to tonight. george zimmerman, not guilty. it was a case that was as much about larger issues. it was about guns in this country. it was about race in this country. the reverend al sharpton joins us now. your reaction. >> well, i think that this is an atrocity. i think that it is probably one of the worst situations...
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trayvon martin's blood on his. forever. >> trayvon martin was killed february 26th, 2012, one year, four months and 16 days later. a jury in a court of law is deciding whether george zimmerman should be criminally responsible for his death. every second it goes by brings us closer to that verdict. with me now is my all-star legal panel, joy reid, managing editor the grio.com, former prosecutor faith jenkins, defense attorney ken padowitz, and former prosecutor marcia clark. she is author of "killer ambition." thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> great to be here. >> thank you. >> marcia, how did the defense and prosecution do today in their final arguments to the jury? >> reverend, i thought they both did a really good job, very strong. and, you know, it's interesting the different styles that they have to adopt. and wisely. so you know, the defense approaches this from a very calm, very reasoned, let's all calm down now and think rationally, you know, and try to step away from all the sympa
trayvon martin's blood on his. forever. >> trayvon martin was killed february 26th, 2012, one year, four months and 16 days later. a jury in a court of law is deciding whether george zimmerman should be criminally responsible for his death. every second it goes by brings us closer to that verdict. with me now is my all-star legal panel, joy reid, managing editor the grio.com, former prosecutor faith jenkins, defense attorney ken padowitz, and former prosecutor marcia clark. she is author...
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that's trayvon martin's cell phone. they were discussing the issue of thc found in trayvon martin's blood, and they were also discussing the issue of that animation that was so hard fought over and ruled against ultimately, but before all of that, and all of the fighting until 10:00 at night, those lawyers started getting angry and perhaps the angriest of them all was the judge. look how it played out. >> i would offer him the opportunity right now to apologize to me for suggesting that i stood by silently with information that i did not have. >> i am not getting into this. court is in recess. i will give my ruling in the morning. i will see you at 8:00 in the morning. >> your honor, may i -- >> court is in recess. >> it is 10:00 at night. >> 9:56. court is in recess. thank you very much with all due respect we'll see you at 8 in the morning. >> i am not followingly able to go at this pace longer. it is 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we have had full days every day. weekends, depositions at night. >> it is jus
that's trayvon martin's cell phone. they were discussing the issue of thc found in trayvon martin's blood, and they were also discussing the issue of that animation that was so hard fought over and ruled against ultimately, but before all of that, and all of the fighting until 10:00 at night, those lawyers started getting angry and perhaps the angriest of them all was the judge. look how it played out. >> i would offer him the opportunity right now to apologize to me for suggesting that i...
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the woman on the phone with trayvon, when of course, he was approaching trayvon -- approaching zimmerman. and that was obviously not a good moment for the prosecution. but even past that, i mean, you can't supplant and philip, can you chime. in you can't supplant emotion with where the facts are supposed to be in the case to prove that element of ill will or anger or visceral hatred of trayvon martin or a black person in order to prove that second degree murder charge. might be different for the manslaughter. >> i would absolutely agree with you. i think they painted themselves in the corner from the beginning by locking themselves into the version that they thought was going to come out. and quite frankly, that version did not come out. that being said at the end of the day, you still have a 17-year-old child. you still have an individual who is dead through no fault of his own. i think that if -- if the state could show enough emotion that the jury puts a lot of weight with that they may do a split the baby and say we don't want to come back with a murder 2 conviction because they didn
the woman on the phone with trayvon, when of course, he was approaching trayvon -- approaching zimmerman. and that was obviously not a good moment for the prosecution. but even past that, i mean, you can't supplant and philip, can you chime. in you can't supplant emotion with where the facts are supposed to be in the case to prove that element of ill will or anger or visceral hatred of trayvon martin or a black person in order to prove that second degree murder charge. might be different for...
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cleared of all charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. martin's family deals with that verdict that was rendered last night. good morning, everyone. welcome to "america's news headquarters" on this sunday morning. >> i'm marcella neville. a jury of six women reaching their verdict yesterday after 16 hours of deliberations. here's the verdict as it was read. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial district in and for seminole county florida, state of florida versus george zimmerman, verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman, not guilty. >> emotions running high outside the courthouse as people on both sides of this case consider the outcome of this historic case. jonathan sary is joining us live from sanford, florida. jonathan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. there were reports overnight of protester smashing windows and setting small fires in oakland, california, but here in sanford, florida, people on both sides of this emotionally charged issue heeded the calls to remain calm. in advance of the verdict some prominent civi
cleared of all charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. martin's family deals with that verdict that was rendered last night. good morning, everyone. welcome to "america's news headquarters" on this sunday morning. >> i'm marcella neville. a jury of six women reaching their verdict yesterday after 16 hours of deliberations. here's the verdict as it was read. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial district in and for seminole county florida, state of florida...
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if you don't believe that trayvon martin saw the gun, if you don't believe that trayvon martin can get to the gun, that calls into question the entire self-defense argument that they're making to the jury. and keep this in mind. the prosecution, once the defense raises self-defense, the prosecution has to prove under florida law that beyond a reasonable doubt, there was no self-defense. so the burden shifts to the prosecution once self-defense is raised by the defense. but make no mistake about it. the law is like mud. this jury is going to hear this law from this court, and they're going to be like every jury. they're going to have a hard time going through it, because lawyers can't even agree what that gobbledygook means when the judge reads that law to that jury. >> faith, having said that, and about seeing the gun or grabbing for the gun, let me show you some of what john guy laid out in terms of the inconsistencies and tell me whether that addresses some of that from the prosecution's standpoint. >> sean knoffke told me to get an address. that didn't happen. listen to the tapes. l
if you don't believe that trayvon martin saw the gun, if you don't believe that trayvon martin can get to the gun, that calls into question the entire self-defense argument that they're making to the jury. and keep this in mind. the prosecution, once the defense raises self-defense, the prosecution has to prove under florida law that beyond a reasonable doubt, there was no self-defense. so the burden shifts to the prosecution once self-defense is raised by the defense. but make no mistake about...
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this has been tough all along for everybody involved, and now for trayvon martin' trayvon mart had pushed so hard for authorities to get charges in this case. you mentioned justice has been done. a jury has made this decision. >> this is important for everybody no matter what a verdict is, harris, that both sides agreed this jury was the jury to decide it. >> yes. >> they both had a chance to ask all the jurors, and both sides agreed that these six people, these 6 women could be fair. they could weigh the evidence. both sides had equal opportunity. this is the way our system, you know, we don't have mob justice. this is the way it's supposed to work whether you like the verdict or not. you know, i just hope that there is calm among the community, those who may not like the verdict. in fact, you know, maybe those who don't like the verdict may not have even seen the trial, but you know, the lesson here is that we should all respect it, and this is what we with said before the verdict. we should be saying this afterwards, but very, very difficult night tonight for the family, and even very
this has been tough all along for everybody involved, and now for trayvon martin' trayvon mart had pushed so hard for authorities to get charges in this case. you mentioned justice has been done. a jury has made this decision. >> this is important for everybody no matter what a verdict is, harris, that both sides agreed this jury was the jury to decide it. >> yes. >> they both had a chance to ask all the jurors, and both sides agreed that these six people, these 6 women could...
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trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last defense witness, a decision is made to testify or not. if the decision is not to testify, the attorney notifies the judge and then the defendant gets questioned outside the presence of the jury but on the record to preserve the record so later on they can't say, oh, my attorney tricked me, i didn't know i have the right. they just do through a series of questions. you understand tyou have the right to testify. yes. you've had a chance to speak to your attorney. yes. that's what we all that uought was going to be. zimmerman looked
trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last...
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trayvon martin the way he was. trayvon martin that night, i had to show you, he had the hoodie on. we talked about the hoodie. this is from the picture we showed you. it's not in evidence. don't even have to believe it's accurate. just take a look at it. remember how much taller i was than andrew gaugh, and he testified that he was 5'10". and then there's george zimmerman and how tall he is. take a look at him compared to my height. could you stand up for a moment, please? relative physical abilities. that's what you have to look at to determine in a self-defense case. so you look at this guy that night, don't look achad the today to how much weight he gained. it doesn't matter, what matters is how he was that day and how trayvon martin looked that day. in evidence, just so you get an indication, november 15th, 2011, about two months, three months before trayvon martin passed away. that's what he looked like. a young kid, nice kid actually, you look at the picture, not bad. the problem is when we show you autopsy photographs, there are two things to show you about autopsy photograp
trayvon martin the way he was. trayvon martin that night, i had to show you, he had the hoodie on. we talked about the hoodie. this is from the picture we showed you. it's not in evidence. don't even have to believe it's accurate. just take a look at it. remember how much taller i was than andrew gaugh, and he testified that he was 5'10". and then there's george zimmerman and how tall he is. take a look at him compared to my height. could you stand up for a moment, please? relative...
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following -- if george zimmerman is following trayvon martin, he's guilty of something. that's not part of the law. the truth is it isn't part of the law and the jury needs to understand it according to this defense attorney. >> the jury told by the court it's not illegal to follow somebody especially if you're doing it to tell the police where this person went. >> response? >> as the state objects, we would note it's the first time i ever heard unnamed media commentary cited as legal authority to the courted. i would submit while following itself might not be illegal that following is one factor the jury is free to consider in this case. it is something that evinces the defendant's state of mind. it doesn't have to be illegal and i don't think the instruction -- we want to talk about what confuses the jury. when the court starts telling them things like it is not illegal to walk across the street. it is not illegal to walk home from 7-eleven in the rainwearing a hoodie. it is not illegal to be armed with a pack of skittles. that tennes to confuse the jury. it is also in
following -- if george zimmerman is following trayvon martin, he's guilty of something. that's not part of the law. the truth is it isn't part of the law and the jury needs to understand it according to this defense attorney. >> the jury told by the court it's not illegal to follow somebody especially if you're doing it to tell the police where this person went. >> response? >> as the state objects, we would note it's the first time i ever heard unnamed media commentary cited...
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>> trayvon benjamin martin. >> georgy. >> my brother. >> trayvon's? >> yes. >> there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> if this person, this mannequin, were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me? >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his head consistent with someone doing this? on cement. >> i don't think so. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon martin is a threat to him? why? because he's got a gun! equalizer. he's going to take care of it. he's a want to be cop. >> the person that decided that this is going to continue, said it was going to be violent was the guy that didn't go home when he had the chance to. i almost wish that the verdict had guilty, not guilty and completely innocent because i would ask you to check for that one. you have to check the not guilty. check the innocent then, too. >> trayvon martin may not have the defe
>> trayvon benjamin martin. >> georgy. >> my brother. >> trayvon's? >> yes. >> there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> if this person, this mannequin, were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me? >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his head consistent...
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his conduct is why trayvon martin is dead. i think the prosecution made that. >> you don't think that the prosecutions argued effectively with second-degree? >> i don't think they did. i think it is manslaughter. manslaughter is you do something and reckless and you don't mean to kill them but they die. i think it is manslaughter. i think the jury has to have common sense which the prosecutions is saying. if not for zimmerman, martin wont be dead. the by had a bag of skittles and a can of iced tea. he is a child many times and skittles and iced tea and none of that matters, only thing matters is what is in george zimmerman's head at the time he used the deadly force and if they couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not in fear and he was going to get hurt seriously, that's it, it is over. they didn't prove second-degree and they wont have charged if all of the sievele rights people didn't come out and manipulate the entire system. it should not have been charged and one question no one mentions. if everyone is d
his conduct is why trayvon martin is dead. i think the prosecution made that. >> you don't think that the prosecutions argued effectively with second-degree? >> i don't think they did. i think it is manslaughter. manslaughter is you do something and reckless and you don't mean to kill them but they die. i think it is manslaughter. i think the jury has to have common sense which the prosecutions is saying. if not for zimmerman, martin wont be dead. the by had a bag of skittles and a...
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you heard trayvon martin's mother, trayvon martin's brother insists that was the voice of trayvon martin. this is significant in as much as if, in fact, it was george zimmerman who believed he was in danger and he then shot and killed trayvon martin. would obviously have an impact on this decision by the jury. let's see who this witness is. let's get some more of this live coverage here on cnn. >> [ witness sworn ] . >> you may be seated. >> thank you. >> good morning, ma'am, how are you? >> good morning. >> state your name, please. >> lee anne benjamin. >> and are you married? >> yes, i am. >> to whom? >> john donnelly. >> okay. do you know george zimmerman? >> yes, i do. >> and if you would, tell the jury how long you have known him. >> i think i met george nor the first time either at the end of 2002 or early in 2003. >> and if you would briefly tell the jury the circumstances of. i own and operate a local real estate business and george was working for the local evens company and i used to refer my commerce over to him, so i got to know him that way. >> would a characterization as a
you heard trayvon martin's mother, trayvon martin's brother insists that was the voice of trayvon martin. this is significant in as much as if, in fact, it was george zimmerman who believed he was in danger and he then shot and killed trayvon martin. would obviously have an impact on this decision by the jury. let's see who this witness is. let's get some more of this live coverage here on cnn. >> [ witness sworn ] . >> you may be seated. >> thank you. >> good morning,...
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trayvon martin. you have to use evidence, circumstantial evidence from the outside and try to figure it out. if someone's in fear, you run home. that was about 30 yards. that's where you run when you're in fear. if you stick around to take on someone, you stick around. >> that's more an assumption. i don't think he had -- >> well -- you think -- you disagree with that? >> that doesn't mean that trayvon had to run home. >> i'm not saying that but if you're looking for reasonable inferences, that's a for likely reasonable inference. >> it's four minutes but he didn't go home. i mean, the inference is what he was doing. the thing is the state, all they have is the angel/demon good versus evil, light/dark dichotomy and i think the defense is doing a great job of saying you don't know anything about either of these people. i'm just saying there's four minutes that he could have been laying in wait the same way you think that he was hunting. there's no evidence of evilness on either side and some point onl
trayvon martin. you have to use evidence, circumstantial evidence from the outside and try to figure it out. if someone's in fear, you run home. that was about 30 yards. that's where you run when you're in fear. if you stick around to take on someone, you stick around. >> that's more an assumption. i don't think he had -- >> well -- you think -- you disagree with that? >> that doesn't mean that trayvon had to run home. >> i'm not saying that but if you're looking for...
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you know, you -- we've heard from trayvon's mother, trayvon's father, trayvon's brother. they all have a connection to him, to trayvon martin, but other people who did 911 calls, who said they thought it was the guy on top, meaning the one screaming for help was the one on bottom was george zimmerman, but you also had some people who testified saying that the person they heard screaming sounded like a child, sounded like a young boy. >> okay, well, we're joined live now from sanford, craig melvin is there. and craig, can you tell us exactly what's going on inside the courtroom right now at this moment? >> reporter: right now, martin, judge nelson is considering hearing on john donnelly. he's the guy who's married to lee ann benjamin. they both testified to the fact that they gave money to the website to help george zimmerman pay for his legal bills. he testified that it helped him, took food over to the house. they also testified that because of his experience in vietnam, he was able to better decipher screaming. he said that he could recognize that it was george zimmerma
you know, you -- we've heard from trayvon's mother, trayvon's father, trayvon's brother. they all have a connection to him, to trayvon martin, but other people who did 911 calls, who said they thought it was the guy on top, meaning the one screaming for help was the one on bottom was george zimmerman, but you also had some people who testified saying that the person they heard screaming sounded like a child, sounded like a young boy. >> okay, well, we're joined live now from sanford,...
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george zimmerman brought out the gun because trayvon martin had gone for it as opposed to trayvon martin was screaming or retreating or running. have a listen to how that went down between this prosecutor and this witness. >> if trayvon martin or anyone would have been in that situation and would have been aware of the defendant's gun either seen it or felt it, would you expect them to scream for help? >> you're asking me if somebody -- if i'm beating the crap out you have and i know you have a gun would i expect me to be screaming for help? >> would that be unusual? >> you said if i'm trayvon martin in that situation and we take it to the place that we've gone with the physical evidence where i'm the aggressor, i'm on you and i see you have a gun, my first instinct is not to scream for help, if i'm the one being the aggressor is to go for the weapon to help me continue my aggression. >> my question was it would be unusual for a person who saw someone that they were in combat with with a firearm, would it be unusual for that person to yell for help in your experience? >> i want to make s
george zimmerman brought out the gun because trayvon martin had gone for it as opposed to trayvon martin was screaming or retreating or running. have a listen to how that went down between this prosecutor and this witness. >> if trayvon martin or anyone would have been in that situation and would have been aware of the defendant's gun either seen it or felt it, would you expect them to scream for help? >> you're asking me if somebody -- if i'm beating the crap out you have and i...
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you didn't know anything about trayvon martin. you knew he played football in middle school, that was about it. what else did you know about him? height and weight and that he was physically healthy, that's what the autopsy report said. that's it. we don't know anything about his fighting ability. if he had any at all. if he would be a one on a scale of one to ten or a ten or in between. a lot of assumptions made about him, 17 years old, just turned 17. we don't know anything about it. the witness started to say that he knew some things from the media, you know, that's obviously a big red flag. he got cut off on that and no further discussion. >> we do know, i believe trayvon martin was 158 pounds at point at which he was killed, right? >> right, 5'11". >> conceding how much in weight to mr. zimmerman? >> i've heard different things about zimmerman's weight at the time. he's put on a -- i think about 100 pounds since then. but we've seen pictures of him. he was obviously fairly physically fit at the time. and the gym owner even sa
you didn't know anything about trayvon martin. you knew he played football in middle school, that was about it. what else did you know about him? height and weight and that he was physically healthy, that's what the autopsy report said. that's it. we don't know anything about his fighting ability. if he had any at all. if he would be a one on a scale of one to ten or a ten or in between. a lot of assumptions made about him, 17 years old, just turned 17. we don't know anything about it. the...
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so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >> well, we don't talk about that much publicly on our side of things. when we make those type of decisions, we don't sue insolvent people. we sue people -- it's an informed decision. so we don't -- that wouldn't be a very public situation when that decision is made, how we handle it, and we'll confer with our clients. we'll make that decision. right now, though, i think this verdict is so fresh, we don't have that second conversation not yet. i think right now it's really an important time for the country and the martin family to think about how we treat racia
so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >>...
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the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy. not just for his family, or for any one community, but for america. i know this case has elicited strong passions. and in the wake of the verdict, i know those passions may be running even higher, but we are a nation of laws, and the jury has spoken. i now ask america to recognize calm reflection on two parents who lost a son. we continue our live coverage from sanford, florida, what's next? zimmerman may not be done defending himself in court? now civil rights leaders are calling for new charges. >>> also ahead -- >> in my instance, because i am african-american. we never really get a fair trial. we don't feel like we get a fair trial. >> that was longtime sanford resident and business owner brenda hartsfield about 24 hours ago on our show. i'll check in with her and get her reaction to the verdict. we'll be right back. [ brent ] this guy's a pro, herbie. [ herbie ] there's no doubt about it brent, a real gate keeper. here's kevin, the new boyfriend. lamb to the slaughter. that's rig
the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy. not just for his family, or for any one community, but for america. i know this case has elicited strong passions. and in the wake of the verdict, i know those passions may be running even higher, but we are a nation of laws, and the jury has spoken. i now ask america to recognize calm reflection on two parents who lost a son. we continue our live coverage from sanford, florida, what's next? zimmerman may not be done defending himself in court? now...
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trayvon was a bad individual or anything like that. but the media painted him in a certain light by continually using a picture of when he was 12 years old and using george zimmerman's booking photo from an altercation in another case and showing a totally diverse view of the two individuals. that had to be intentional. you can't tell me the media didn't have any other access to other pictures pictures and trayvon's family didn't have pictures of him since he was 12 years old? there were pictures from his twitter that were circulated, but we saw the same image painted. the media benefits from ratings. we see it over and over again where the stories are slanted a certain way because it is explosive and the ratings shoot through the roof. there are networks that make a living off high-profile cases like this. as long as they report it fairly that is great. the public should know both sides and should know a fairview of it. it is when it is given a particular slant like this they don't do us a favor. there is an image of racism when anybo
trayvon was a bad individual or anything like that. but the media painted him in a certain light by continually using a picture of when he was 12 years old and using george zimmerman's booking photo from an altercation in another case and showing a totally diverse view of the two individuals. that had to be intentional. you can't tell me the media didn't have any other access to other pictures pictures and trayvon's family didn't have pictures of him since he was 12 years old? there were...
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family members differ -- family members of trayvon martin say it's trayvon martin screaming. how is the jury going to sort that out? they may not be able to. you have to consider the screamer stops when the gun is shot. i think that might make it more likely that it's trayvon martin screaming. now, zimmerman says or his defense attorney says no, zimmerman was screaming and he stops when the gunshot goes off because the threat is eliminated. the problem with that, zimmerman did not think the let it was eliminated. he said he thought trayvon martin was still alive. in fact, that's why he turned him over, spread his arms out. so that's something i can see developed further in close arguments. i think the bottom line is the jurors will say, we can't tell who was screaming so we will just cast that aside. >> doesn't that explain why zimmerman was stalking trayvon martin in the first place? >> sure they do. the nonemergency dispatcher said, are you following him, zimmerman said yeah, the dispatcher said, we don't need you to do that, and he clearly did continue to follow him. their
family members differ -- family members of trayvon martin say it's trayvon martin screaming. how is the jury going to sort that out? they may not be able to. you have to consider the screamer stops when the gun is shot. i think that might make it more likely that it's trayvon martin screaming. now, zimmerman says or his defense attorney says no, zimmerman was screaming and he stops when the gunshot goes off because the threat is eliminated. the problem with that, zimmerman did not think the let...
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tracy martin is trayvon's dad. what did trayvon martin's father say when he was asked in an interview room by the sanford police? let me play you a tape of some screaming. actually, i don't think they prefaced it that way. they said we're going to play you a tape. and then when he was asked who was screaming, the response was crystal clear. have a look at how that played out not long ago. >> the tape with screams on it and the gunshot? >> yes, sir. >> and did you play that for mr. martin and ms. green? >> yes, sir, i played all the recordings for him. >> focusing on the 911 call, tell me how you played that, what volume or how the setting of that occurred? >> i can't recall the number as far as the volume went, but it was audible. relatively clear, as clear as i had. it was played off of a -- i believe off of a cd. it might have been digital, an e-mail. i don't quite remember. but it was played. and it was audible. >> okay. and what was mr. martin's response? >> emotional. understandab understandable. i let him lis
tracy martin is trayvon's dad. what did trayvon martin's father say when he was asked in an interview room by the sanford police? let me play you a tape of some screaming. actually, i don't think they prefaced it that way. they said we're going to play you a tape. and then when he was asked who was screaming, the response was crystal clear. have a look at how that played out not long ago. >> the tape with screams on it and the gunshot? >> yes, sir. >> and did you play that for...
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zimmerman said trayvon saw his gun. listen, it's highly impossible and improbable you can see that gun in that darkness back there. pitch black. >> greta: now let's do voo doo. how long is the jfr going to be out, jim? this is voodoo. >> it's i think the jury knows how important this case schl i think they go into saturday. a rushed verdict would be bad for everybody. i'd say saturday or monday. >> we've got head shakers not disagreeing. >> or sunday, sunld, sorry. >> let you go. >> greta: coming up thank you, panel. coming up what will happen in the courtroom? a look ahead to tomorrow. our live coverage from florida continues next. wo big goals: help the gulf recover, and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that helped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-ar
zimmerman said trayvon saw his gun. listen, it's highly impossible and improbable you can see that gun in that darkness back there. pitch black. >> greta: now let's do voo doo. how long is the jfr going to be out, jim? this is voodoo. >> it's i think the jury knows how important this case schl i think they go into saturday. a rushed verdict would be bad for everybody. i'd say saturday or monday. >> we've got head shakers not disagreeing. >> or sunday, sunld, sorry....
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>> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> people shouting "justice for trayvon martin" while marching through the streets. this remained mostly peaceful so far pept for one protest in oakland, california where a public transit car was smashed. in washington people marched late into the night calling for more to join them. and in chicago protesters carried a giant sign saying "we are trayvon." they also chanted "not one more." back in florida a group of young demonstrators had an emotional moment as they sang quietly on the steps of the capitol building in tallahassee. civil rights leaders are reacting with shock and frustration. the reverend jesse jackson gave us his take earlier today. take a look and a listen. >> i remain stunned at this decision, that the grown man armed murdered the unarmed boy going home because he suspected him. the state's attorney avoided the issue of race. the defense team denied the issue of race. and yet race profile was obvious from the very beginning. you look on the jury without a black or wi
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or was he stalking trayvon? who, when you think about it, trayvon, i guess like anybody else with common sense, if you know you're being followed by a strange creepy man, you don't take them to your home. and as rachel jeantel said, trayvon had went to hide. that seems very logical versus george zimmerman's reason of why he didn't get to that car in four minutes. >> right. mr. parks, are you satisfied with the way the prosecution has marshalled the arguments? because mr. crump in something like 38 seconds has just produced a sterling presentation of why the claim of those four minutes can be quite easily depudee dee bunked. and yet meany critics have felt that the prosecution has not really stitched the argument, the narrative as effectively as they might have done. >> well, i think at this point we've clearly seen that bernie did an incredible job of taking all of the evidence in this case, whether it's the inconsistencies, whether it was the whole, the whole theory of the case -- >> but mr. parks, why didn't m
or was he stalking trayvon? who, when you think about it, trayvon, i guess like anybody else with common sense, if you know you're being followed by a strange creepy man, you don't take them to your home. and as rachel jeantel said, trayvon had went to hide. that seems very logical versus george zimmerman's reason of why he didn't get to that car in four minutes. >> right. mr. parks, are you satisfied with the way the prosecution has marshalled the arguments? because mr. crump in...
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we don't know if trayvon martin sent them. she mentioned a 7-year-old can break into a phone and send messages out. my 7-year-old changed the code on my phone. so i think in real life, trying to authenticate social media messages is very difficult. when you have the person whose phone it belonged to dead, how do you properly authenticate it? i don't think it's coming in own that basis. and even if it's relevant, it's so prejudicial. it's not probative of anything. i can't imagine that this kind of information is coming in. and i don't think that the defense should want it in. it's that trash the victim defense that is never successful. i agree with jeff. this defense is doing very well. they should rest and let this go to the jury. >> let me counter argue that to danny and get your opinion. what the defense is saying is well, look, the prosecution, you know, went to great lengths to get evidence of george zimmerman allegedly learning mixed martial arts and that was allowed in. so if there are, in fact, texts from trayvon marti
we don't know if trayvon martin sent them. she mentioned a 7-year-old can break into a phone and send messages out. my 7-year-old changed the code on my phone. so i think in real life, trying to authenticate social media messages is very difficult. when you have the person whose phone it belonged to dead, how do you properly authenticate it? i don't think it's coming in own that basis. and even if it's relevant, it's so prejudicial. it's not probative of anything. i can't imagine that this kind...
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trayvon martin was trying to kill george zimmerman and here was his weapon. what do you think about that strategically. >> i disagree with one thing. i think cases can be won or lost in closing argument and i think it's because you need to hammer home the points that maybe they have forgotten during a lengthy trial. i think it was a nice piece of demonstrative evidence to show them this cement block. but i don't think it matched up quite frankly with the injuries that george zimmerman suffered, and that's what the state was trying to argue. you can think this is a weapon. you can think he suffered severe injury. when you wipe the blood away, he didn't have to go to the hospital. he didn't have to have the cat scan. he didn't choose to get stitches, so do the injuries really match up with the weapon the defense is trying to show you was causing serious bodily injury? i think that's what the jurors have to think about. it's what's in the mind of the defendant. did he think he was suffering from serious bodily injury. it really can go either way. >> one of the t
trayvon martin was trying to kill george zimmerman and here was his weapon. what do you think about that strategically. >> i disagree with one thing. i think cases can be won or lost in closing argument and i think it's because you need to hammer home the points that maybe they have forgotten during a lengthy trial. i think it was a nice piece of demonstrative evidence to show them this cement block. but i don't think it matched up quite frankly with the injuries that george zimmerman...
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martin, or did he park, get out and was immediately confronted by trayvon martin or he confronted trayvon martin depending on who you believe. but this testimony is pretty con voluntary lieutenant convoluted, and just as we're wondering about the significance of this testimony, the jury probably is, too. >> sure. the defense is trying to define precisely where the vehicle is parked. she originally suggested it's in one road, but we hear the defense attorney there trying to suggest the vehicle may have been parked on a different route, on twin peaks road. why is he trying to suggest that that may be where the vehicle was parked? >> well, for the defense, it's all about corroborating george zimmerman's story. and we understand that the truck was not secured by law enforcement. it may have been moved, and therefore, where the truck ended up may not have been where zimmerman parked it. again, depending on who you believe in this case. so the defense is just using this witness to get this little piece of information. >> lisa bloom, thank you very much. the prosecution is now cross examining el
martin, or did he park, get out and was immediately confronted by trayvon martin or he confronted trayvon martin depending on who you believe. but this testimony is pretty con voluntary lieutenant convoluted, and just as we're wondering about the significance of this testimony, the jury probably is, too. >> sure. the defense is trying to define precisely where the vehicle is parked. she originally suggested it's in one road, but we hear the defense attorney there trying to suggest the...
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didn't know trayvon martin. as to manslaughter i would imagine that prosecutors argued, judge within look, manslaughter is essentially neglect le jones or reckless behavior. did they argue using a gun under the circumstances is negligent behavior? i it's excessive force. to use a gun with a kid armed with skittling is reckless behavior? did they make that argument? >> they did not make that specific argument. however the fact that a gun was used by george zimmerman, not in dispute by either side. however, when it come to let's say the jury actually convicted in the deliberations room george zimmerman of manslaughter and did not go with second degree murder. manslaughter is up to 15 years in prison. but because of the gun being involved here that is an enhancement charge, an enhancer as they say. so that could make the term being anywhere between 10-30 years if george zimmerman was convicted of manslaughter with the enhancer of a gun being utilized here. gregg: interesting arguments happening inside the courtroom
didn't know trayvon martin. as to manslaughter i would imagine that prosecutors argued, judge within look, manslaughter is essentially neglect le jones or reckless behavior. did they argue using a gun under the circumstances is negligent behavior? i it's excessive force. to use a gun with a kid armed with skittling is reckless behavior? did they make that argument? >> they did not make that specific argument. however the fact that a gun was used by george zimmerman, not in dispute by...
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. >> george zimmerman is not guilty, he pressed that pistol into trayvon martin. >> he shot trayvon martin in self defense. >> there was one live round in the chamber. >> who was the aggressor? >> are any of those abrasions life-threatening? >> rachel jeantel. >> we should plan on at least a couple of hours? >> what? >> tempers flare at the george zimmerman trial. >> overruled, the court is entitled to acquire. >> he can't really object to the judge's questions. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon martin is a threat to him? >> a lack of evidence, if you have to prove something, you don't know it. >> this case is not about race, it is about right and wrong. it is that simple. >> state versus george zimmerma zimmerman. >> the case of the state of florida versus george zimmerman is now in the hands of a jury. >> yeah, jurors have ended deliberations for today. they will resume tomorrow, saturday, yes, on saturday at 9 a.m. eastern time, just before 2:30 this afternoon, judge deborah nelson handed them the case with these final words. >> your verdict finding
. >> george zimmerman is not guilty, he pressed that pistol into trayvon martin. >> he shot trayvon martin in self defense. >> there was one live round in the chamber. >> who was the aggressor? >> are any of those abrasions life-threatening? >> rachel jeantel. >> we should plan on at least a couple of hours? >> what? >> tempers flare at the george zimmerman trial. >> overruled, the court is entitled to acquire. >> he can't really...
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trayvon martin throwing the first punch. there is no eye with itness to that happening. that was george zimmerman's version of events. after mark o'mara wraps up his closing presentation 11:30 to 11:35, it's unclear whether the judge will break for lunch or have the state present their rebuttal. after that sometime this afternoon the judge is going to give the jury instructions to the 6 jurors. the 3 alternates sitting in the jury box for the past three weeks. they don't toe they are alternates yet. they will found out in a couple hours. and be thanks for their sacrifice and time but they will not be allowed to go into the deliberations room. it will be up to the 6 in florida. you only have 12 people on the jury panel. this is not a death penalty case. potentially this jury could come up with a verdict later this afternoon even into the night. martha: phil, things are just about to get back underway here. and do we want to just -- let's just go right back and listen. they are about to get started. we are about halfway throug
trayvon martin throwing the first punch. there is no eye with itness to that happening. that was george zimmerman's version of events. after mark o'mara wraps up his closing presentation 11:30 to 11:35, it's unclear whether the judge will break for lunch or have the state present their rebuttal. after that sometime this afternoon the judge is going to give the jury instructions to the 6 jurors. the 3 alternates sitting in the jury box for the past three weeks. they don't toe they are alternates...
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trayvon martin didn't kill himself. and who's responsible for the state not being able to ask trayvon martin to step forward so i could put my hand on his shoulder, wow, i would love to do that. who is responsible for that? and trayvon martin, is not, was not, will never be a piece of cardboard. to the living we owe respect but to the dead we owe the truth. it probably seems like a year ago that we were all in here, one by one, and then as a group in jury selection. one question got a smile from everybody but it's important. when the attorneys asked you, do you understand, it's not like it. v? it was an important question because it's not. and now you know. it's not like it. v. where all the witnesses are well-dressed, well-educated, actors and actresses. there are no rachel jeantel's on csi. and they don't call. they don't call people like kristin benson who found nothing and a from time to time on the gun like "law & order." it is not like that in real life. in real life, we give you everything. the good, the bad, the
trayvon martin didn't kill himself. and who's responsible for the state not being able to ask trayvon martin to step forward so i could put my hand on his shoulder, wow, i would love to do that. who is responsible for that? and trayvon martin, is not, was not, will never be a piece of cardboard. to the living we owe respect but to the dead we owe the truth. it probably seems like a year ago that we were all in here, one by one, and then as a group in jury selection. one question got a smile...
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we know that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin, that trayvon martin is deceased. the only question is, was it self-defense, and did he do it with ill will and hatred in his mind if it was in the self-defense? those are the only issues the jury has to consider. >> on the issue of jury instructions, that could tip the whole thing one way or the other. >> it will be very important to see what judge nelson -- how she goes forward and instructs the jury. it will go down to the reasonableness of that self-defense of george zimmerman. the fact is this, there's both direct evidence and circumstantial evidence that was put forth by the prosecution that really bolsters the prosecution's case, and that's why the judge ruled in their favor and against the defense in their motion to acquit. >> and paul, part of what seema -- excuse me, part of what lisa was saying is that several of the elements here are essentially undisputed. >> correct. >> that the individual is dead and that another individual shot him. so what we're looking at would be potentially the jury instructions di
we know that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin, that trayvon martin is deceased. the only question is, was it self-defense, and did he do it with ill will and hatred in his mind if it was in the self-defense? those are the only issues the jury has to consider. >> on the issue of jury instructions, that could tip the whole thing one way or the other. >> it will be very important to see what judge nelson -- how she goes forward and instructs the jury. it will go down to the...
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trayvon martin did punch zimmerman. he is down. he pulls the gun, trayvon is screaming for help, zimmerman is angry and he shoots the gun. >> marcia? >> yeah, i think that the defense has to first of all explain away george zimmerman's aggressive conduct in following. he has to explain that he wasn't following, and that somehow trayvon got the jump on him and frame it in their narrative so that trayvon looks like the aggressor and george zimmerman looks like the victim throughout in order to get to the point where he is justifiably shooting at trayvon. and in rebuttal, the prosecution is going to have to reframe the argument, and i think at that point put out some kind of a solid theory, not blow-by-blow, but show how really it was george zimmerman who was the aggressor, who made all the moves that required ultimately trayvon to defend himself. >> all right. >> and then zimmerman shot him. >> john? >> yeah, i think what the defense has to do is put aside as much as they can what happened beforehand and deal strictly with the shooti
trayvon martin did punch zimmerman. he is down. he pulls the gun, trayvon is screaming for help, zimmerman is angry and he shoots the gun. >> marcia? >> yeah, i think that the defense has to first of all explain away george zimmerman's aggressive conduct in following. he has to explain that he wasn't following, and that somehow trayvon got the jump on him and frame it in their narrative so that trayvon looks like the aggressor and george zimmerman looks like the victim throughout in...
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goode saw trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement i take it is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >>> you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you can see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one you couldn't get the other one. there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objection. leading nature of the question
goode saw trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement i take it is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >>> you pointed out in...
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one, trayvon martin is dead. two, the death was caused by the criminal act of george zimmerman. three, there was an unlawful killing of trayvon martin by an act imminently dangerous to another, and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. an act includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose. an act is imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind if it is an act or series of acts that a person of order near judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or evil intent, and is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life. in order to convict of second degree murder it is not necessary for the state to prove george zimmerman had an intent to cause death. if you find that george zimmerman committed second degree murder, and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the crime he
one, trayvon martin is dead. two, the death was caused by the criminal act of george zimmerman. three, there was an unlawful killing of trayvon martin by an act imminently dangerous to another, and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. an act includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose. an act is imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind if it is an act or series of acts that a person of...
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in this case, trayvon martin? >> well, absolutely. >> so your determination as to what trayvon martin was doing at the time he was shot came from him, right? >> that was one of the elements that i considered for that. but when you take the small portion of weight given to a statement and then you add in the other evidence that surrounds the event, the injuries and everything, to see if it corroborates to a point that it seems plausible that this exactly is what took place and everything lines up to say yes, based on what i see here physically, the injuries and so forth, this all makes sense. so the opinion is that based on what he told me in combination with all the other variables involved, that's how i formed my opinion. >> yes or no. do you know what trayvon martin was doing at the moment he was shot? >> yes. >> you do? >> you're asking my opinion. based on the information i was given the opportunity just like i could look at you and say, i don't know what mr. zimmerman was doing, i don't know what mr. martin w
in this case, trayvon martin? >> well, absolutely. >> so your determination as to what trayvon martin was doing at the time he was shot came from him, right? >> that was one of the elements that i considered for that. but when you take the small portion of weight given to a statement and then you add in the other evidence that surrounds the event, the injuries and everything, to see if it corroborates to a point that it seems plausible that this exactly is what took place and...
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he also used trayvon martin's body saying that trayvon didn't have blood on his hands. he pointed to d.n.a. evidence that said there was no prints and no d.n.a. found on the gun. so that was find of how he used the evidence but his mainingment was that this was a kid that was walking home and it could have been avoided if george zimmerman hadn't stopped and gotten out of his car. >> suarez: with a charge of second degree murder, the state carries a heavy burden. it has to demonstrate ill will, malicious intent. what could prosecutor de la rionda point to before the jury today that showed that kind of malicious intent? >> well, it was really interesting. prosecutor de la rionda really used george zimmerman's own statements as an outline for his closing argument. he used statements from zimmerman to police in this police walk through as well as on the night of the shootinging. and he also used zimmerman's call to police when he spotted trayvon martin. he had the jury listen to george zimmerman say several times -- use the word "a-holes" and "effing punks" and say the peop
he also used trayvon martin's body saying that trayvon didn't have blood on his hands. he pointed to d.n.a. evidence that said there was no prints and no d.n.a. found on the gun. so that was find of how he used the evidence but his mainingment was that this was a kid that was walking home and it could have been avoided if george zimmerman hadn't stopped and gotten out of his car. >> suarez: with a charge of second degree murder, the state carries a heavy burden. it has to demonstrate ill...
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watch and license to this. >> george zimmerman, trayvon martin. were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's head consistent with someone doing this on cement? >> i don't think so. >> how about someone -- if someone was resisting me pushing down? >> i believe so. i believe it was a culmination of downward force from pushing on are striking. i know clearly by the injuries to his face that would drive him back hard. >> in your experience, would someone resist. >> of course. someone normal instinct would try to move away from the pain stimulant. >> would that okur not the first time, but every subsequent time. >> whether it's a push or strike, every time you drive a strike or push straight downward, the body goes until it hits a body that will stop it. >> do you remember this as being a human type -- >> yes, sir. >> it's actually got a belly button. >> surely does. >> did it appear to be anatomically correct? >> for the bull le button, yes, sir. >> as the defendant described it to you, is this the way he described it, in the area of a belly button. >> number one, you have your -- ha
watch and license to this. >> george zimmerman, trayvon martin. were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's head consistent with someone doing this on cement? >> i don't think so. >> how about someone -- if someone was resisting me pushing down? >> i believe so. i believe it was a culmination of downward force from pushing on are striking. i know clearly by the injuries to his face that would drive him back hard. >> in your experience, would someone resist. >> of...